Comments on Nongeek perspective: 7 Reasons To Keep Using Firefox

Guys - cool downWe can all like our own browsersJu...

2006-11-11T06:17:00.000-04:00

Guys - cool down

We can all like our own browsers
Just because someone else likes something different doesn't mean we need to promote our own idea of whats good - or shoot down other peoples views.

Theres a place in the world for everyone - even Uncle Bill - and whatever the big Corporates try to do to squeeze eveyone out - they'll never succeed anyway.

Life finds a

yes, IE sux, it won't load my wordpress blog fully...

2006-11-10T21:05:00.000-04:00

yes, IE sux, it won't load my wordpress blog fully if I put some flash movies on it directly, it happens in both IE6 and IE7.

Firefox is an excellent browser which I have been ...

2006-11-09T17:56:00.000-04:00

Firefox is an excellent browser which I have been using since the beta versions prior to version 1.0. In the very beginning, there were compatibility problems, but web sites quickly coded themselves to suit the popular new browswer, and Firefox began to be a force to be reckoned with.

Firefox is safe, reliable, fast, feature-loaded, independent, powerful, and with version 2, a whole lot

Yay firefox!

2006-11-08T23:07:00.000-04:00

Yay firefox!

I have been an Opera user for years and when I fou...

2006-11-07T23:10:00.000-04:00

I have been an Opera user for years and when I found Firefox, I never missed it that much.

There is a reason why Firefox is widely preferred by many surfers for personal and business purposes.

And I agree, The more users there are, the bigger the support for that software. So I'd still be an avid fan.

Oh, and yeah, Thunderbird rocks....

further more, all these "advanced" features are now more common place with. for example saving sessions and then the "foxmarks" extension are both standard features in both Maxthon and

Also, the new IE sucks very badly. Its not that f...

2006-11-07T08:59:00.000-04:00

Also, the new IE sucks very badly. Its not that firefox is the best (it still has some flaws, it still crashes) but IE 7 is HORRIBLE. IE doesnt load pages right at all. Templates are all screwy, and it basically took tabbed browsing from the fox.

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2006-11-06T16:59:00.000-04:00

I agree

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[This comment is not anti-Firefox, but only anti-s...

2006-10-24T21:41:00.000-04:00

[This comment is not anti-Firefox, but only anti-stupidarguments.]

1. I don't care what "many people say". I care either what the MAJORITY say :) or what the browser's technical merits are.

2. Protecting users is not their main concern. Protecting their Windows users is. And protecting their brand. In addition, they can only forbid official releases/patches of official distros,

You may want to check the facts before you write; ...

2006-10-22T10:44:00.000-04:00

You may want to check the facts before you write; this bugreport may help you enormously.

"will fall a few percents"...is overly optimistic....

2006-10-21T15:32:00.000-04:00

"will fall a few percents"...is overly optimistic. The share Debian has on the Linux desktop is small, the share Linux has of the overall share of Firefox users is about 5-10 percent the most...So the effect will be minimal and addition to that, that the browser is still based on Mozilla/Gecko!

well, if Debian rebrands Firefox I will drop what...

2006-10-21T13:33:00.000-04:00

well, if Debian rebrands Firefox I will drop whatever they call their browser and install Firefox and I will encourage Mozilla to release a Linux version in deb format. I rather have a web browser with 15% of the market and not 15 privately branded FF based browsers each with 1%. Magazines and MS propaganda machine is going to take advantage and say that FF market share has dropped to x percent

AFAIK the problem is not that debian patches the f...

2006-10-21T12:58:00.000-04:00

AFAIK the problem is not that debian patches the firefox code, but that it uses an alternative icon set. So mozilla has no problem with calling a patched firefox firefox, but it has problems with using the firefox name when not using the official firefox icons. Because mozilla's iconset is non-free, debian can't use these icons, because they want to let their users be free to modify everything in

Exactly, this is not persecution of Debian. Mozill...

2006-10-21T10:26:00.000-04:00

Exactly, this is not persecution of Debian. Mozilla simply said these are the rules of our software license. If you don't agree, all you have to do is change a thing or three in the build so that it isn't called Firefox. The Mozilla rep may have been tactless in hinting that Debian "bend the rules" but if you think that is tactless then it is also tactless to suggest that Mozilla make an

Is there anything to do for Mozilla? With the re-b...

2006-10-21T10:00:00.000-04:00

Is there anything to do for Mozilla? With the re-branding, the issue seems to be solved. Which goodwill do you expect?

IMO, both sides have valid points. I can understan...

2006-10-21T09:39:00.000-04:00

IMO, both sides have valid points. I can understand why Mozilla is defending their brand. I also understand why Debian developers did what they did, and BTW I agree with their efforts.

It was one of Mozilla Corporation representatives who was too hostile to the Debian project when he wrote in e-mail about "bending a bit DFSG rules". I too would be mad when someone came and told me that

To the last comment: You have the freedom to use, ...

2006-10-21T09:32:00.000-04:00

To the last comment: You have the freedom to use, change and distribute mozilla's code...But you are not allowed to mark it as Firefox! The same is true for Debian: You are allowed to modify and change whatever you like, however I'm afraid you are not allowed to distribute it as Debian. That's the issue here...

There is no reason for Debian not to distribute Fi...

2006-10-21T09:12:00.000-04:00

There is no reason for Debian not to distribute Firefox and TB in the Non-Freebranch, because that's what they are. However, I chose Debian for the Debian Social Contract. I get the freedom to take the Debian release and modify it as I wish, no matter how stupid other people may think I am. That's what freedom is all about.
Currently, the only legal way for Debian to release FF code in the

People are missing an important legal consideratio...

2006-10-21T08:37:00.000-04:00

People are missing an important legal consideration. When you have a trademark, you must make reasonable efforts to DEFEND it or it will be declared orphaned or abandoned by the courts in case of a legal matter. Why is that important? Well anyone could bring a totally new browser related or not to Mozilla and call it Firefox. If Mozilla has defended their trademark, anyone can use their trademark

Debians Firefox is not just a problem of trademark...

2006-10-21T06:47:00.000-04:00

Debians Firefox is not just a problem of trademark issues, but because they change the code of Firefox and add insecure stuff to the code base! Yes, you've heard correctly! For example they add certain certification authorities, which were never audited or confirmed to expected standards, to the trusted certificate store. THIS is something Mozilla can't accept, since Mozilla has a clearly defined

People forget (or are unaware) of one key item. It...

2006-10-20T12:35:00.000-04:00

People forget (or are unaware) of one key item. It was Mozilla that demanded the change. Debian was begging for status quo.

So Debian is wasting their time to what could basi...

2006-10-20T04:53:00.000-04:00

So Debian is wasting their time to what could basically be limited to a script for changing the latest FF release intro iceweasel, changing the icons and adding their own debian patchset, (which they do to most projects).

This won't be too much of a wasted effort.

I don't like debian as much as some but i don't think that they are wrong in doing this.

Debian is NOT forking Fire Fox. They are simply c...

2006-10-19T18:50:00.000-04:00

Debian is NOT forking Fire Fox. They are simply changing the name of the Fire Fox to which they make changes. There is, however, a fork of Fire Fox by GNU. Scroll to the bottom of this article to "Update" and you will see a memeber of the Debian team stating the above: http://times.debian.net/1022-iceweasel

1.) If firefox is a good browser, how can a fork o...

2006-10-19T16:55:00.000-04:00

1.) If firefox is a good browser, how can a fork off firefox not be a good browser?

2.) One could easily add spyware code to mozilla and still publish it as mozilla. User protection doesn't come from trademark policies, it comes from good quality software with freely available source code.

3.) It's good that firefox is Free Software. However, trying to lock in users and other